Ok, I’ve read your comments and I hear what you’re trying to say. I even agree with a lot of them, except those calling me awful names, obviously.
Like most of you, I believe in integrity and truth and justice and accountability.
The fundamental difference is that you’re working on the assumption that the five accused individuals are guilty. We’re not.
Pastor Kong Hee has asserted that he maintains his integrity.
In addition, the church has responded to the allegations, stating that “The S$24 million, which went to investment bonds, was returned to the church in full, with interest. We didn’t lose the S$24 million, nor did we lose another S$26.6m as alleged and no personal profit was gained by the individuals concerned.”
Yes, I know everyone is calling for evidence. There’s nothing we would like more than to present out side of the story and back it up with evidence. But as criminal charges are now before the court and will be subject to adjudication by the court, presenting our case at this point would constitute subjudice. So these five individuals are being portrayed by the media as guilty without given a chance to defend themselves.
In accordance with the law, we will be allowed to present our case and make our defence in due time, which we will.
I’m not asking for your support. Neither am I asking you to agree with everything we believe in. I’m not even going to ask you to stop calling me bad names. All I’m asking for is justice and fairness. That you consider the possibility that these five accused individuals are innocent. To give truth a chance and let the evidence speak for itself.
Jason July 1, 2012 at 9:30 am
I’ve seen a few video of Kong in CHC and had confirmed he is using NLP techniques on the church members. Which also means, he can lie and get supports at the same time.
Human have the tendencies to listen lies package as truth. As it is sweet and addictive. By reading your writings, you are seriously addicted.
At the day of judgement when Kong is sentence, you may face a breakdown. Not because you believe in God. It’s because you worship a man.
Stevenn July 1, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Using NLP technique? Give a break Jason. It is okay for you to give your opinion. But ur post is judging. see ur statement: confirmed and when kong sentence? Arent u judging base on ur opinion? Can i ask u one thing, if he is not proven guilty, will u be able to accept the fact? I am not chc member, but please be neutral and dont judge base on ur opinion. You are deciding the outcome before the result? Let law does its job and decide. U are not better than anyone to decide and judge.
Jason July 1, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Why should you not judge?
By telling others not to judge, is another NLP concept.
Now that I tell you this, “do not judge”.
So now I shall tell you something and you must accept it as gospel. Do not judge my word. Can you do that?
Stevenn July 1, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Jason, judging and giving opinion is two different thing. U can say whatever u like, whatever u want, but in the end it s depend on me to accept ur opinion. But for u, u decide urself base on ur opinion somebody is guilty without knowing much the fact. Who are u to judge people? Freedom of speech is to speak out ur opinion. Asnwer this simple question, if kong is not proven guilty, will u accept that fact? Or will u still stick with ur judgement? I dont thinj any of chc members worship their pastor. But what i can see they have respect toward him. They have faith. Why would u say they are worshipping a man? Ur statement doesnt valur people opinion. It is the same like telling them, hey wake up u are fooled? Have kong being proved guilty? So the fact still have not really out. So you cannot simply judge other of what they are believing and having faith on.
Winifred July 1, 2012 at 11:50 am
I certainly hope that you are right. I have nothing against your church. However if Pastor Kong Hee and the others were to be found guilty, the damage done to the faith and confidence of people is tremendous. Not just for CHC but for other churches and religious institutions in general.
Anonymous July 1, 2012 at 12:01 pm
I agree with Winifred. We have seen so much – catholic churches, NKF, Ren Ci. It’s not easy…
Stevenn July 1, 2012 at 5:31 pm
I agree if proven guilty it will damage the christianity. The trust and the faith. But still, the outcome is hard. We are talking about law and faith. It normally wont go along. Even though the result prove them guilty, i believe some of members will still have faith and believe kong vision and methodology.
I have attended many churches and come to realise most of pastor understand bible differently. In the end pastor is a human, and some of them try to understand base on sentence and knowledge. And if we compare, they have their own understanding and opinion. So wheather true or not, it still.comes to our sense to accept or not.
Erin July 1, 2012 at 11:58 am
CHC definitely responded this, “The S$24 million, which went to investment bonds, was returned to the church in full, with interest. We didn’t lose the S$24 million, nor did we lose another S$26.6m as alleged and no personal profit was gained by the individuals concerned.”
It does not matter whether they have returned the church in full with interest, what matters is that they have took the funds without the consent of their fellow church people (evidence of people reported to be unaware and upset). It would be like a school “borrowing” the funds collected from families and saying “we have returned the funds in full with interest.” Does the school even have that right to do that? I believe not. The funds were obviously for the church not for these individuals. Why should they even take the money? It drives down to their accountability – which is obvious they had none.
Money is a sensitive issue and should be accountable to the people if there were such investments. A proper procedure should have been done with the CHC family. I believe we practice this even at home, to be responsible and accountable.
Anonymous July 1, 2012 at 1:25 pm
I agree. As pastors and executives handling church funds or so called charities without discerning will just attract the enemy to come kill,steal & destroy. My church doesn’t have projects that is deemed charitable but it’s called love offerings, whenever there are such lor offerings we are told that this particular offering will be given to particular pastor who came to help his ministry, we are told so we do it in our prompting by the Holy Spirit to give in what God wants us to give. But nvr, have I heard that church are funding a secular world singer ex church pastor dancing skimpily towards killing &sexual contents videos. When I watched it I felt grieved, as Christian don’t you feel grieved? When you sow into the kingdom of God in returns you have all this? I have know our giving in church do support pastors who are in the overseas & sponsoring scholarships for ppl are who keen to studies Bt are in lack. All this are acceptable we know we are sowing into right condiments, we praise God for that. But looking at how obstinate you are in defending kong hee, u really love him do you? Fast & pray that’s all I can say as a Christian. I can’t judge Bt I too did not misused church giving in sowing into bad fruits. God knows that’s why he interferes when the time comes, God will replace a better authority servant of God. CHC remains but God is just shaking the grounds of the church. God bless
Dude July 1, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Well, it seemed that a lot of people were grieved when Jesus dined with prostitutes and other sinners then too..
daniel July 2, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Please do not compare any mortal being with Jesus.
Regards.
Anonymous July 1, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Erm, he used the money for the crossover project, which according to the newspaper, the church supports..
Stevenn July 1, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Church can be very big meaning. Can mean the management, can mean the members. In.either way, i think chc members are awate of this project. It is just the church might not aware from when the funds from. Correct me i am wrong for those been with chc for so long, do u aware where the fund from? The cross project idea is not wrong. But i think most most public is judging base on how sun ho rent over 25k per month house in US and how pastor kong can move condo 3 times toll the last one in sentosa which cost 9m. Some of members said he deserve the luxury. I will call those members simply immature as some of members are still very young. I am personally have no objection on the.project ctoss over. But does the money being use wisely for the glory of God? I am not saying pastor cannot enjoy luxury, pls dont flame me. I am more concern of their personal luxury like buying 9m condo. If kong can prove where the money come from, i dont think any of public will complain.
R. Atwanabe July 1, 2012 at 12:12 pm
I read this in Sunday Times today.
Franciscan sisters needs $4.5 million for new home.
CHC will help them? No?
All Xtians ah soh too.
But I must make it ckear here, these devout nons do not hip hop, maybe they sing, but they do not go around half naked on stage for sure.
So do they qualify for CHC’s help fo a meagre $4.5 million?
Stevenn July 1, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Aiyoooo this simply not connected la. Even u simply feed entirr gov wealth,that doesnt guarantee there will no poor ppl in future. Wait for the play time 25th July. But just got feel this gonna be long case.
R. Atwanabe July 1, 2012 at 7:41 pm
You just proved my point.
Anonymous July 3, 2012 at 12:15 pm
dont get your point.
duh July 1, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Have you considered the fact CHC is getting alot of brickbats, because of the general consensus is that you all are refusing to entertain the possibility he might be guilty?
You’re one of the rare few who are at least having an objective opinion.
Stevenn July 1, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Dear duh,
I dont think this sista refuse to entertain the possibility kong is guilty. U are talking about opinion, not the fact yet. I am not saying kong is not guilty, nor guilty. but the result still will be fought on court. So let this sista has its own faith/believe or hope. But if u are forcing somebody to have the same opinion like u? Please. Opinion is not rocket science like 1+1 : 2 and nobody will dare to object.
duh July 3, 2012 at 1:58 am
This is a perfect demonstration of the attitude I was talking about.
No matter how you phrase it, it is clear you refuse to entertain the notion.
This why ANYONE RATIONAL who reads your post will simply throw more brickbats at CHC.
duh July 3, 2012 at 2:04 am
btw, don’t think I can’t tell you have been posting replies here using different nicks.
A normal, sane person won’t have to resort to such tactics.
Jaq July 1, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Hey Daph, they can write their pre-sumption and call you names but there is ONE thing – they can never write off our love for the church and CROSSOVER.
Stevenn July 1, 2012 at 5:42 pm
This is called opinion. Nor u who believe in church and kong can make those assune ur pastors are guilty to accept ur opinion. So let us all leave with our own opinion or pre-sumption. Gb
EL July 1, 2012 at 5:44 pm
I think the issue is not whether Your pastor is guilty or not. The real issue is, are CHC members idolizing man or God? I’ve read your testimonies, most if not all, gave much glory about the man, his works, what he had sacrificed for the church, how his wife gave it all for the people etc. Alot are about one man’s works, how that man touched you guys with his humanly efforts. How his efforts made you all want to be ‘better christians’. But that man, to you CHC members is not Christ, but Pastor kong! That is very questionable. Moreover, members are vowing his innocence, it seems like no CHC wants to acknowledge that he is no God, but a mere mortal who faces the very same temptations as you, me, him, her etc. As a sister in Christ, I judge him not, because I’m equally sinful in my mortal self. I’m no better than him in God’s eyes. But I recognize (& CHC members need too) that he is a fallen man filled with weaknesses. And it is okay. There’s forgiveness & acceptance in the body Christ (if he’s proven guilty). That’s precisely why Jesus died on the cross. It is the sick who needs the doctor. You can’t blame the public for the calling you guys ‘blind supporters’ because of the way CHC is reacting- as if Pastor Kong is pure, perfect & a blameless man. Truth is, no one is.
members are
TAP July 1, 2012 at 7:15 pm
No person is perfect. No person is sinless. To err is human. Just because a person is good and godly, it does not mean the person does not make mistakes in his life.
If Pastor Kong has erred, we should recognise that and help him to learn from mistake and grow to be a better person. If he has not erred, we should learn from this episode and ask ourselves what we can do to prevent this misunderstanding from happening again in future.
I am withholding my opinion on this matter until more information is available but some reactions from both within the church and outside the church disappoint me. Placing complete faith in a person (who is imperfect by definition in religious belief) borders on equating the person to God Himself (who is perfect by definition). No real Christian will equate a human with God.
Anonymous July 1, 2012 at 9:03 pm
A person is innocent unless proven beyond any reasonable doubt. AG chamber normally do not proceed on any charges if they do not have gathered sufficient damning ‘evidents’, but then again they have to be proven beyond any reasonable doubts in court for anyone to be found guilty and sentenced accordingly. There is no need to prejudge now, but all concerned about this case must mentally prepared to accept the final judgement. Jamming the gun is not helpful, but blind faith and self denial are equally undesirable and may even be dangerous in the end………
“It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it.”
― Aung San Suu Kyi.
unknown July 1, 2012 at 9:18 pm
I Don’t support Crossover project.. but i support God and the Church. :) Please do not judge. :)
1) CHC did announced their not funding for Crossover.
2) CHC Executive Member post a complaint and it appeared that CHC is funding the crossover project. It stated that whole congregation are aware about it. What if I tell you not all members know about CHC funding the crossover project all along??
If some of the members dont agree with the crossover project? then?
Edmund July 1, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Fact – It was NOT an executive member that made a complaint. Please get your Facts right.
It is ok for you not to support the Crossover, and he is innocent until Proven Guilty.
And we do not Hero Worship him, we just happen to know the person, and not base our judgments on rumors and hearsay.
unknown July 1, 2012 at 11:30 pm
TOC Breaking: City Harvest Executive Member alleges COC Defamation
Published by The Online Citizen on June 27, 2012
Dear Mr Chan Chun Sing,
I read with disappointment the defamatory article posted in MCYS’ Press Room entitled “Inquiry found misconduct and mismanagement in the City Harvest Church”.
I am an Executive Member of City Harvest Church, and yes, five people from my church were taken in yesterday, 26 June 2012, for investigation and it was announced they would be charged. Among them are the senior pastor of my church Pastor Kong Hee, and our deputy senior pastor, Pastor Tan Ye Peng.
The “report” that the Commissioner of Charities put up is offensive in the following ways:
The five individuals had not been yet charged on 26 June 2012. But the report was already posted online, and circulated to the public. Does the Commissioner of Charities feel that it is the judge of these five individuals, and not our judiciary? By posting this report, it is already declaring these five individuals “guilty” of wrongdoing even before the Singapore legal system has begun speaking to these five individuals. Frankly, this is defamatory, and necessitates an apology from the CoC.
There are some points in the report that make accusations that are not supported by evidence. For example,
a) Section B point 5: “donations and tithes to the Charity were transferred to a private fund known as the Multi-Purpose Account.” This is a fabrication. The MPA was purely a private fund and the donors knew they were contributing to the Crossover Project and to supporting Pastor Kong and Sun. In fact the MPA was set up by donors who specifically wanted to contribute to the Crossover Project as we the members of the Church support this as part of our missions work. Monies from CHC’s accounts were not transferred, as accused by CoC, to this MPA. It was a private fund. Definition of “private”: “Belonging to or for the use of one particular person or group of people only.” So, there was no need for the members outside this group to know about the MPA.
b) In paragraph 2 of the press statement, the CoC insinuates that $23M was used to finance Ho Yeow Sun’s secular music career and gives the impression that money was depleted from the Building Fund. It fails to mention that the audited accounts show that these funds were actually used to purchase bonds with an interest yield of 7% and were duly redeemed with interest upon their expiry date one and a half years’ ago. So no monies have actually been lost to our Church’s Building Fund, in fact the 7% yield of these matured bonds have made this a much better investment than putting the money into fixed deposits with pathetic interest rates.
3. Inflammatory and emotive language is used throughout this report, to the effect of inciting indignation in the reader. Examples:
a. Section B, Point 4: “the Charity’s funds were used to finance the Project under the guise of donations to its affiliated church”.
b. Section B, Point 5: “There was even an attempt to conceal the existence of this Account”
While I understand the need to CoC to conduct an inquiry into this matter, I strongly disagree with this report being posted online and re-posted on sites like ST.com when the five have not even been formally charged in court! I take offence at the—frankly amateur—way it has been written and the incendiary language it uses.
I have been a member of City Harvest Church for 18 years. Our pastors have always been open and honest with us, while trying to accomplish the vision God has given our church in the best way they know how. Whilst they may not be perfect, integrity has always been their hallmark.
In Point 6 of the report, the CoC says it may take action against these individuals “in order to protect the charitable property of the Charity.” We the members of the Church have given voluntarily to the Church and the Crossover Project, monies have never been solicited from the public. We are a society and do not owe members of the public any account of our how our funds are used, yet we post our audited accounts online on our website for transparency and accountability.
I can assure you the “charitable property” that I have donated to the Charity does not need protecting by CoC. Pastor Kong Hee, Pastor Tan Ye Peng, Chew Eng Han, John Lam and Sharon Tan have my—and I am sure my fellow churchmates’—trust and support. We know them, trust their integrity and we have seen the fruit of their labour. Nothing that they do is for personal gain, glory or self-furtherance. I am therefore not supportive of the CoC’s suspension of the 8 persons from their offices.
I write to respectfully ask that the CoC apologises to City Harvest Church and its members for this inexcusable report and its poor timing.
Yours truly,
Christopher Pang
unknown July 1, 2012 at 11:31 pm
is this not chc executive member?
Edmund July 2, 2012 at 12:18 am
If u are referring to this complaint YES!
I thought u are referring to the initial complaint that started the whole saga.
But thanks for clarifying n the letter does highlight some things we should be aware of.
Good on u mate :)
Btw, u are?
Edmund´s last post ..City Harvest Allegations
unknown July 2, 2012 at 1:24 pm
unknown :)
Anonymous July 2, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Hey Daphne
Some members of the public have concerns about the CHC followers being “blinded” and “misled” because all of you seem to spew the same flawed mantra…
Christopher Pang and you clearly clearly share the same view that CHC is not accountable to the general public… This view is flawed on so many levels.
Even if you wish to bury your head in the sand, you shouldn’t assume that the rest of the CHC congregation feels the same way. Even one small voice is sufficient to warrant questioning.
And let’s not even begin to discuss how CHC as a non tax paying entity should abide by rules that come with its tax-exempt status.
Personally, the fervent belief of the still loyal CHC members who are willing to unqestioningly accept Kong and Sun Ho’s extravagant lifestyle scares me.
FalseGospel July 2, 2012 at 12:32 am
City harvest itself is preaching a false gospel known as ‘Prosperity Gospel’. David Yonggi Cho, Benny Hinn, etc are all known false prophets and bring with them alot of controversial teachings that are not aligned with the bible. These are preachers that christians should stay away from.
City harvest members are often very ill informed about christianity as a whole. Most of them in general do not do any research on their own and rely alot on their cell leaders and pastors on bible interpretation.
Being young, they are impressionable and start to formulate an idea on christianity very easily.
Most city harvest members, in general, were previously not christians and have no knowledge about christianity prior to city harvest.
FalseGospel July 2, 2012 at 12:37 am
America’s mainstream religious denominations used to teach the faithful that they would be rewarded in the afterlife. But over the past generation, a different strain of Christian faith has proliferated—one that promises to make believers rich in the here and now. Known as the prosperity gospel, and claiming tens of millions of adherents, it fosters risk-taking and intense material optimism.
Currently, with megachurches like city harvest, new creation, fcbc, etc, we are seeing Singapore go down the path of the Americans.
Are they the very false prophets that God has warned us about?
The apostle Peter warns in 2 Peter 2:1-3,
“But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction”
listen July 2, 2012 at 8:17 am
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/falsification
can be pardoned? It is against the law, commercial business law isn’t it. one can have integrity but methods are obviously wrong. do not give wrong support, one can be sincerely wrong…..
Anonymous July 2, 2012 at 8:25 am
I was about to take 1 step forward to become a Christian but this news has made me take 3 steps back instead and reconsider my decision. I hope whatever is the result, everyone still stay strong and live life as per normal.
Stanley July 2, 2012 at 11:06 am
Dear Anonym, there is nothing wrong with the religion. Sometimes it’s the people on it. If by people wrong you blame the religion, it will be sad for you as you will always find this kind of thing in any religion. So stay strong in what you understand and believe.
Stanley July 2, 2012 at 11:02 am
To be honest, there is no point for you guys to debate about this. For those not supporting chc, please understand from chc members stand of point. Some of them have been with CHC for many years. Taking example like Daphne, 15 years. So you all cannot simply force somebody to take your opinion in 1 day and especially the fact hasn’t out yet. So spare them a bit, they are just having their own believe. It’s the same to you, they cannot force you to believe kong teaching.
Talking about prosperity gospel, I myself don’t find any wrong in this gospel. Why should it? Just because some church or pastors don’t agree then this is false Gospel? I have been in so many churches, being it CHC, ROCK, Methodist, Korean Church etc …. One thing I can say, every pastors have different way in understanding bible. Even in one korean chruch their teaching is even much stronger, you cannot seek doctor as God will heal you, you cannot use branded bag. You cannot let your kids to watch cartoon, as cartoon is a bad spirit which can pose your kids.
About the crossover project, what is wrong with the project? I don’t think any of you’re disagree of the project actually. It’s just different way in reaching to non believer. But still I must agree with some of you, why Sun need to spend 25k/month stay in USA? Why Pastor Kong can change condo 3 times which the last one worth 9m? where does the money come from? Honestly, that is a twist to me too. I believe most of CHC members are having the same questions. It’s just they’re trying to have the faith that none of the funds being used for personal gain, as claimed by church.
So if Kong one day really proven guilty by law, what I can say, chc members have to accept it. For now, those who are not having the same believe with them, can you please put yourself on their shoes? I don’t call this foolness, nor blind faith. There must be solid evidence and truth to change those minds. Whatever now in media, we don’t really call it a truth yet.
Anonymous July 2, 2012 at 3:59 pm
“In addition, the church has responded to the allegations, stating that “The S$24 million, which went to investment bonds, was returned to the church in full, with interest. We didn’t lose the S$24 million, nor did we lose another S$26.6m as alleged and no personal profit was gained by the individuals concerned.”
The police’s response: “Generally, in law, the offence of criminal breach of trust of monies is established once there is misappropriation of the monies with the requisite intent, regardless of whether there have or have not been subsequent attempts at restitution by the accused.”
End doesn’t justify the means!
May July 2, 2012 at 4:49 pm
I don’t want to talk about the money. You’re right. It’s your money. If CHC members are so happy to give their money to their pastor and happily let him use it to buy property and support his wife’s dream of being a superstar, so be it.
I only wished that money could have been better spent on people who needed a roof over their head, instead of one person choosing to buy a super expensive condo.
I only wished that money could have gone into poor kids who couldn’t even afford food or education, instead of someone who wanted to be a superstar.
I only wished that money could have been better spent on people who are dying because they couldn’t afford healthcare, instead of people who needed to maintain their celebrity lifestyle.
Maybe my question should be… How do CHC members see their pastor’s wife. Do they not even have a slight doubt why their Pastor supported her music and (slutty) image in her MVs? Do they not hoped for her to sing hymns and of God’s glory like Hillsong, instead of sex, lies and murder? Do they really think this is befitting of a God-fearing Christian?
May July 2, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Let’s just say if CHC is really proven innocent. Everything returns to normal. Case withdrawn…
Will you support Sun Ho to return to the States to continue her current superstar dream, singing her current type of songs? Regardless where the money to fund her extravagant lifestyle in Hollywood came from, I don’t think this is befitting of a Pastor’s Wife. This is not what I was taught.
abby July 2, 2012 at 5:53 pm
i wanted to comment but your comment is so awesome i felt i had to second it.
WONDERER July 2, 2012 at 6:06 pm
I have 3 questions.
1) Is Pastor Kong a perfect man? If he is, case close.
2)If not, why is there an absurd support from his church like: “My trust is not Breach” Facebook page and tweets etc…
3) If answers for number 1 falls on number 2 then is this blind support from his followers?
Guys wake up! I HATE RELIGION! YES I HATE RELIGION BUT I LOVE JESUS. It is Him made me who i am today through city harvest NOT PASTOR KONG (NO OFFENCE)
For your info Im Ex CHC member, I thank GOD for changing me Through Pastor Kong and his church. And take note, I THANK GOD AND GOD ONLY! “ALL” and I repeat “ALL” GLORY BE TO GOD HIMSELF. AMEN!
Anonymous July 2, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Hmmm what if -
“Borrow” money from a fund. Go to the casino. Lucky and win. Return money to the fund with 50% interest from winnings. Fund makes money. The other 50% pocket it for hard work.
Everyone wins. No crime committed? End justifies the means?
CCK July 3, 2012 at 2:27 pm
No one yet know if party is innocent or guilty so why insist on their innocence/guilt .
However, there is no smoke without fire.
Can you honestly say there is nothing odd about Miss Ho dancing/dressing in the manner she does?
And nothing odd about the Pastor living in $$$$$$$$$$$ apartment/mansion?
Simon Teo July 2, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Hi Daphne, I had sent you an email earlier.
Anyway, I fully supported your view that Kong Hee and others are not guilty unless proven otherwise. But then again, they are also not innocent unless they managed to show the court that they are innocent.
It is fully understandable that you chose to stand by Kong Hee in these circumstances since you spend so many years with CHC.
I support you but also bear in mind that the Singapore Justice System are always fair and just in terms of meting out punishments to criminals.
Ask yourself now if you are able to accept the fact if Kong Hee is indeed guilty as charged when the case is closed?
And for those of you calling her names/ saying nasty things, please stop that as Daphne is definitely a good person and stop treating her so badly.
FR July 4, 2012 at 7:01 am
I would like to give you a fair chance but cynically taking advantage of the law’s boundaries and people’s good nature is something your church is very good at.
Why should I give you a chance when your peers are so good at semantics and taking advantage of me?
I’ll give you some examples from my life, over 8 years of sordid interaction with your members:
2005: Friend A of CHC has brought me to Church and I have informed him I do not like it or the people there. At MY social occasion to which I invite him, he brings a bevy of his friends from CHC who preach to me.
2008: Classmate B leaves our final project meeting to attend service. 4 group members wait for her to travel from NUS to Expo and back before we can finish rehearsing our presentation after midnight. She will not compromise and says it is her legal right, and that we can present without her if we insist, she will just click slides.
2009: Colleague C uses big and unending Christian words at our meetings and laces them in her emails to other colleagues of the same Church. Employees complain of the semblance of favoritism. Her boss takes it up with HR who advises her to stop, but due to her usefulness and my boss’s weak will, he contradicts HR and says it is her legal right.
She often quotes Kong Hee about using personal success to influence the Marketplace. When we officially discuss it, she says it is a matter of semantics and she is talking about the secular Marketplace. We are an insurance company. Where do our operations deal with Business, Education, Government, Arts and Media?
2010: Colleague D and 2 others go on a business trip to Malaysia. He is anxious to plan the trip with breaks so he can attend Friday service in CHC KL. When a meeting in unavoidable, he wants to skip town and hastily teach someone to take his place. What is so special about Friday service? Being a big eater, he joined us for nasi lemak on Saturday before flying back on Sunday.
Incidentally Colleague D is a butt of jokes because he was very interested in issuing insurance to a Church some years ago. We questioned his impartial judgment and he was overruled. Now this Church is embroiled and we are feeling lucky. If he had done so, our Singapore branch results would have gone to shit and everyone’s bonus would have been affected. He does not care.
To him, the insurance company’s money is secular money. I bet he thinks the company does not deserve to have it and he will reap great blessings by volunteering it to the Church.
I will not use bad names on you. But you tell me what the fish is going on?
cck July 4, 2012 at 9:26 am
One swallow doesn’t a summer make.
You will always be able to find fault if that is what you set outkto do.
FR July 4, 2012 at 11:30 am
Thank you. One of the most common lines from CHC is:
“Any big organisation is bound to have critics. We will carry on.”
Joseph July 4, 2012 at 12:03 pm
cck, aren’t you doing what the commenter said CHC members are good at doing? “cynically taking advantage of the law’s boundaries and people’s good nature is something your church is very good at.”
By saying the commenter is finding faults, are you saying those offences are not serious?
Even if he is wrong, does it affect whether Kong Hee is guilty?
Even if Kong Hee is found guilty, is he correct in your eyes?
CCK July 4, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Joseph, did you see this earlier comment of mine?
jumping to conclusion I’m from chc ?
CCK
No one yet know if party is innocent or guilty so why insist on their innocence/guilt .
However, there is no smoke without fire.
Can you honestly say there is nothing odd about Miss Ho dancing/dressing in the manner she does?
And nothing odd about the Pastor living in $$$$$$$$$$$ apartment/mansion?
CCK July 4, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Joseph, see my earlier comments before jumping to conclusion.
Tan Kok Siang July 4, 2012 at 7:16 am
Yes, our finance published a yearly report, and there are audits too.
This is a church, soul winning is one of the objectives.
I think the general detractors, have a lot of angst, but why should this be, and you may not have contributed to the cross over, because, objectively , you did not fork out a dollar.
Maybe you are really angry, the way our Singaporeans money is being handled by the authorities, the church is a easy firing target for all the pent up frustrations for all the previously unaccounted handling by other bodies?